A nineteenth century young man was first known for being one of the top shooters of birds in his area. He killed hundreds. Then, not much later, he became a leader of the local Audubon Club, dedicated to looking at birds and saving them and saving the areas they can live in.

The Audubon Club was new, and someone in it knew how to talk to this man and change his minus sign on birds to a plus sign.

"I see that you are interested in . . . and here is another way of being interested in. . ."

Learning how to say that. First, knowing that it can be said and sometimes works. Finding a way to honor the intensity of the interest and to know that the direction of the interest is not necessarily permanent.